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Rev. Graham Claims He’s Never Heard Trump Tell A Lie, Slammed For Being ‘Willfully Ignorant’


Rev. Graham Claims He’s Never Heard Trump Tell A Lie, Slammed For Being ‘Willfully Ignorant’

Rev. Franklin Graham rejected MSNBC host Craig Melvin’s assertion on Wednesday that President Donald Trump “has said things over and over that aren’t true.”

In an interview on MSNBC, Melvin noted that The Washington Post’s team of fact checkers have documented 8,158 false or misleading claims made by the president during his first two years in office.

“Well, I don’t know how to reconcile that, because I don’t know,” Graham replied. “You have a fact checker for the president but I don’t know if you have a fact checker for the media at the same time.”

“Pastor Graham, you and I both know this president has said things over and over that aren’t true,” the MSNBC host pushed back.

“No, I don’t know that,” Graham insisted. “I don’t sit around and try to find every fault in the president every day, looking for everything that he might have misspoken or mis-said. I don’t do that.”

“But you can acknowledge that the president has said things that aren’t true,” Melvin asked.

“I don’t think the president is sitting there behind the desk trying to make up lies,” Graham said. “I don’t believe that for a second. Has he misspoken on something? Sure, all of us do that, you do it, I do it.

“So I think the president is trying to do the best that he can under very difficult circumstances,” he added. “But no one person can fix this, it’s too complex. We need God. As a nation, we’ve turned our back on God.”

Later in the hour, former GOP strategist Rick Tyler admonished Rev. Graham for ignoring the president’s lies.

“I call them lies,” Tyler said. “In the beginning of the segment, he’s talking about objective truth and what he’s going to get people to believe about objective truth, that is Jesus is the savior of the world and died for our sins. That’s objective truth. At the same time he wants to make excuses about Donald Trump when we know Donald Trump has said things that are just demonstrably and provably false.”

“But there are things that Donald Trump has said over and over again that are just flat out wrong,” he concluded. “I don’t know whether Franklin is being willfully ignorant or is covering for the president but that undermines his message about objective truth.”

You can watch the full interview between Rev. Franklin Graham and Craig Melvin, here.


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